Monday, December 3, 2012

The double standard of humans


When I wrote the post about the Chinchilla fur, I knew upfront that I would get reactions and let's just keep it straight; the fur question is one with the most absolute double moral to be found because who is intelligent enough, knows that it reaches far beyond the fact of wearing a fur or not. 
I was a vegetarian for the sake of the animals for many years when I was younger but at one point, I questioned myself when I easily could buy a leather bag, leather or suede shoes, belt and had jackets with leather details and wore cashmere and mohair tops, scarfs and sweaters. I could easily sleep well in a bed with a fluffy duvet and also had these warm duvet fillings in my winter jackets. When I turned back to being a meat eater for the sake of my health (at that time it was much more complicated to be a true vegetarian and I was sick all the time), it was also for the fact that many of the "vegetarians" and the fur propagandist had so much double moral in them that the label "animal protector/lover" was destroyed and misused. 
If you claim that fur is wrong (which I also feel in many ways, everything including killing an animal is in many ways wrong), you have to be honest to yourself in all of these subjects for me to take your criticism seriously. You can’t be resentful against fur and still use the animal products in other ways; that is the biggest and most lucrative business when it comes to playing with humans minds. Either you don't wear, eat, use ANYTHING that comes from an animal body or which has been taken from the rights of an animal, or we can hardly speak up ourselves.

How can one assess the value of animals differently and without regrets eat a fish, cow meat, horse meat, pork or oysters? Use the feathers of a bird and then be totally against using the fur from the animal which is exactly the same. The cow leather that we mainly use for leather goods once had hair and fur if you didn't know about that, and the cows are seldom treated kindly. It's logical intelligence and sense but one can easily forget that. How can the skin of a cow be of less value and less cried for and criticised than that of a rabbit, a fox or a chinchilla? I just can't stand that kind of double standard and fascinating double moral and I'm willing to stand by this debate and be the one who will make you realise how wrong it is. You can't be one without being the other. It's like being an sober alcoholic and have a glass of wine for dinner. Or like one mentions in the comment field, take the light off for an hour in the world and order a trip to London online in the meantime. Or being against trafficking but still buy a designer copy handbag when in Thailand or somewhere else where we know the money comes from very dark sources. How can we take it seriously if you claim something but still don’t live it fully? 

I myself am also honestly twisted in this: I hate how humans torture animals for the sake of their meat, feathers, skin or fur. I hate how baby cows are slaughtered for us to have a tasty calf for dinner or a small chicken, fed and bred in a super tiny place for us to indulge ourselves and eat. Or to see how horrible the egg industry is, it makes me want to shoot the human species or why make you aware of how milk is very often produced with the female cow's udders so horribly over used that parts of it are falling off and the pain is beyond our comprehension. I wish we had total control over the food we're eating and the leather we're using but 99 percent of what we put inside our mouth and especially use as leather goods comes from sources we have absolutely no idea about. If it's cheap leather, be sure the animals haven't been treated like our pets in our private homes. They have probably suffered the same tragedy as many animals used for fur.

But on the other hand, this is us and this has been our way of living since the very beginning. The problem nowadays is the mass consumption and production. We eat and use each other as mammals and the animal is both our beloved and best friends, just as a source of food, warmth … etc. 
How many won‘t say “yes” to a stunning diamond ring, earrings or whatever shiny stone? But the diamond industry is actually filled with blood, trafficking and when wearing and buying diamonds, that industry also gets more reason to stay and create more profit with children being sold as prostitutes, people getting killed all for our sake of luxury. The same applies pearls. And how do you think H&M, Zara and all of these cheap brands - that most of us consume - can maintain their low prices? Or the sports industry where small children make footballs by hand and work 13 hours per day in extremely harsh conditions? They claim that the employees have civil rights and that there is no child workers, but the truth is very different and yet we mass-consume these brands like if there was no tomorrow, just because of our need for beauty, our hobbies, fashion and to look pretty.

So when talking about this fur issue, you need to be a flawless propagandist for me to respect and listen to you. And because I know that you (95 percent of you anyhow) use animals in the way I do (eat them, wear them) and I know that you won’t adapt your lifestyle and take away most of the luxurious things in your life, even though they have blood stains and are filled with cheap and mistreated young women sold as prostitutes or  workers needing to make a living in disrespect of human rights. The world is upside down, our minds as well and I'm the first one to stand up and say YES to that and also will tell you that I participate to all of this. But don't tell me I'm a lunatic wearing fur if you are a part of all the rest of animal and human slaughter going on around the world these days, even passively. You're just like me and we both live in these double standards trying to make our own choices. 
At least fur is one of these products that you actually keep and by less of. It's often inherited from generation to generation, being sold most of the times when not used and fur can also easily be bought second hand or vintage and it will still remain a good value. I find that‘s so much nicer than when just throwing things that are not being used or for the sake of just being tired of it, like most things from the lower costs brand that is very much use and toss even though the colouring for your little sweater probably caused a very negative medical impact on some women's lungs when doing so. With the trash problem we have today, talk about destroying for animals and humans when all of the trash today is causing mass destruction on our planet and health issues because we can't handle it and it kills the birds in the sky and the air for so many countries. You are a part of that also. We all are. It's so horrible, twisted and filled with double morals. But for me a fur from a Chinchilla will never have a higher value then the leather of a cow. And a dolphin will never have more tears from me then a shark or some other eradicated animal just because they are cuter then most fish or mammals in the sea

I really have no good end to this post, but this is how reality is and we all make our own choices. To tell the world to be vegetarians and stop using all kind of leathers and fur will never happen, but we should all be more aware of the source of whatever when it comes to animals and also force the companies to demand better life for everything made for the humans to eat, use or wear. 


63 comments:

  1. Välskrivet. Det är ett oerhört svårt ämne.

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  2. My god!!..I don't know, but for me it's just not so simple like that...everything is not, unfortunately black or white.
    Come on, it is easy to say that every animals have the same rights and value for you, dolphins against cow etc...but what about cat, dogs and all other Swedish pet animals. I am quite sure that you should refuse a fur from a dog..... you have a dog by yourself right? I totally understand your arguments, you like animals and you like to eat meat and you have no problem to support the fur industry. Everyone is different and thank god for that. My personally reaction: Selfish. Have a nice evening!

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    1. And my personal reaction to your text is: you really don't understand my point and I don't know how to explain in a more direct and understandable way.

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  3. Håller verkligen med dig Stina!
    Dubbelmoral på hög nivå!
    Folk rynkar på näsan för päls fast att de äter kött, ägg, mejeriprodukter, använder skin, dun och kanske har en pälskrage på jackan. Kanske tar de med barnen på zoo eller cirkus.
    Vem är man då själv att döma?

    Mvh
    Kristina

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    1. En höna dör ju inte av att lägga ett ägg.

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    2. Nej det är klart att en höna inte dör av att lägga ett ägg men lider dessvärre under hela sitt eländiga liv. Samma sak med mjölkindustrin där djuren blir plågade och utnyttjade under sitt liv. Är det rätt?
      Men det jag vill poängtera är precis som Stina skriver så har de flesta (inte alla) antingen skor, handskar, skärp eller jacka av skin. Många av dessa människor som tycker att pälsindustrin är fruktansvärd äter också kött.. Det kallar jag dubbelmoral!


      Mvh
      Kristina

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    3. Jag vill bara lägga till en kommentar om mjölkindustrin då mina föräldrar är mjölkproducenter. Jag anser inte att korna längre blir plågade (möjligtvis utnyttjade men det gör vi ju med alla djur på ngt sätt). Idag är reglerna för hur djuren ska ha det väldigt bra. De går fritt, de får gå ut när de vill(inte på vintern men det vill de inte heller kan jag säga), på många ställen kan de få mat när de vill och till och med mjölkas när de vill. Kontrollerna av hur mjölkkor har det är väldigt stor idag, allting kontrolleras, hur många djur dör, varför dör de, hur kan de göra för att det inte ska inträffa igen och så vidare. Såklart kommer det alltid finnas idioter som inte följer lagar men de flesta gör detta med största sannolikhet.

      Detta var bara ett litet inlägg om mjölkkor och min erfarenhet av det. Vet att diskussionen är så mycket större än så när det kommer till utnyttjade av djur!
      MVH
      Alex

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    4. Hej Alex,

      Thank you for this comment. I never claimed that I was referring to the Swedish industry, I know that in Scandinavia we have had this question up for quite some time and especially before the ecological milk was really true and just not parts of it.

      My topic refers to all the world and often in a sad way, mostly the poor and un educational countries where the facts might be there but it's to hard to reach the source because of multiple different reasons.

      I'm very happy to read how Sweden is taking care of this very important question and Thank you again for writing!

      Best,
      Stina Auer

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    5. Alex!
      Skönt att höra att på vissa ställen fungerar det bra!
      Jag stödjer själv mjölk-,kött- och skinnindustrin så det var ingen moralpredikan från min del, ville bara poängtera dubbelmoralen kring pälsindustrin.

      Mvh
      Kristina

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  4. First time I comment: This is exactly what I feel! On one side I perfectly see that it's so wrong to take part in all of what you describe - but on the other hand I have to admit to myself I'm too lazy, not brave enough and too attached to the many luxuries we have to act consequently. and i agree: we have to be aware of the sources of all we consume - and at least try to minimize the damage in some ways.

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  5. The animals used in the fur trade are skinned alive. That can not be justified.

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    1. Of course it can't. As for the meat industry, as for the textile indutry. None of this can be justified, but we all have pretty much no choice but to participate. But where does the line go? To me, buying a fur is equally as horrible as buying a 10$ tank top at H&M. I do both.

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    2. NOT TRUE (at least not anymore) - this is one of these typical horrid PETA-stories. It may be luxury, it may be unnecessary, but that's still a lie! Despite "only" wearing my grandmas coat (which I had turned into a jacket) I also have personal troubles with fur, yet I still educated myself on this subject! xox, Macs

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    3. PS: I forgot: I also wear fur collars from certified saga production. And those pieces wouldn't be as luscious as they are, if the animals weren't held under decent conditions or shot wild. It may only be for our satisfaction, but the same goes for biological chicken - yet still: as long as I'm not vegan I'll "use" animal products in all possible variations - still taking into consideration they were somewhat "treated properly". best, Macs

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    4. I agree. Are you, anonymous, able to justify all the tank tops and lingerie you have in your closet from H&M, sewn and made by children in third world countries under horrible, inhumane conditions. I do love animals, but maybe we should consider to criticize those abusing our very own humankind also?

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    5. Anynomous, I think it is time you read up on facts instead of believing legends spread by the anti fur movement. Everybody with a normal IQ understands that it would be absolutely ridiculous to skin an animal alive, why create the extra mess and risk of damaging the fur?!

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    6. Anonym: And how do you think the feathers are ripped of from a bird to fill your pillow or winter jacket?

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  6. Det här inlägget borde vara en krönika i DN/Svenskan!!
    Väldigt bra skrivet och formulerat!!

    Kram

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  7. Most insightful thing I've read in quite a while on the subject. I myself found myself judging people wearing fur/eating at McDonalds etc etc. But we're all part of the industry and blaming others because of petty reasons and differences is only a way to make us feel more secure about our lifestyle choices. Acceptance is really the key.

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  8. I just arrive from travelling and I did not read anything about your beautiful jacket because I can imagine the reaction of all these persons "bien pensantes...." who eat meat, who use product with animals which have been tasted with, and Stina do not answer, do not explain, it just make me so angry with all these hypocriticals that I can bite, I climb the walls I can say !!!! You cannot be honnest with your blog thinking that majority are so hypocrytals and well-thinking that they just hace to return to their countries or churchs....... I am completely upset with these stupid reactions that I did not read, it's boring me. Your vest is fantastic, it's well that you assume it as a lot of persons are doing, like myself of course and all these other ones can return to their small narrow-minded ideas... Usually, they eat meat, they use products of beauty, etc etc.... coming from animals....Tomorrow may be I will read, if time, these stupid reactions of these people !!! Whaouh I did not thing all these persons reading you, so stupid and not honnest. They get on my nerves. XXX

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    1. Dear Uta,
      I agree with Stina's chronicle above, it is hard to put your finger where the divide between good and bad is, what you can and cannot help and so on. We have eaten meat since the beginning of time, but it is only in the last hundred years that vegetarianism has gained such movement, and for the reason that people want to influence other people in solidifying animal right and highlight the cruelty that is often integral in the meat industry as well as the retail industry. But to each his own, I just wanted to mention this as I think it is unfair of you to name-call ie. "bien pensantes," these people who are entitled to their own opinions. Sure I do not agree when the comments are negatively targeted to Stina personally, because when I read those I always think.."if she aggravates you so much...stop reading!". But as long as people, and Stina allows her blog as an interesting discussion forum, it is unfair of you to call these people "stupid, orthodox/bien pensantes" when they are actually giving their UN-orthodox, EDUCATED opinions.

      Cecilia - meat-lover.....and animal lover to the core!

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  9. Då pälsproduktionen är så belyst, dokumenterad och berikad med så mycket andra alternativ finns det inget intelligent försvar till användning. Att ifrågasätta andra områden som kött, väskor eller smink är likvärdigt, men andra frågor. Man behöver inte utesluta det ena eller det andra, men förstå att de nått olika framfart och exploatering. Du bidrar lika mycket genom att bojkotta bara en av produktionerna, kanske den som är mest belyst för allmänheten. Varför stödja den barbariska pälsproduktionen när du vet var den grundar sig i? Att du tycker att det inhumana tillvägagångssättet är värd din kappa får du självfallet tycka, men göm inte dina åsikter i något annat än vad det egentligen är. Du vill använda päls för att du tycker det är chict och det förstår jag och instämmer. Men att förvandla en ytlig åsikt till nåot brett är bara begåvad retorik, inte insikt.

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    1. ......och det är precis det hon skriver.....det finns inget insnöade i den texten för att försöka göra det mer politiskt korrekt.....bara någon som vågar vara jävligt ärlig och kan skriva om varför och upplysa mer än förakta sådana som inte förstår hur allt hänger ihop. Det är klart att man ska föra en debatt som denna just för att så många som du tror att det ena utesluter det anda. Det gör det inte. Allt hänger ihop......Det mest intressant jag läst på länge.
      Om pälsproduktion är barbarisk.....vad skulle du kalla det andra hon nämner då? Mindre barbariskt? Att flå av pälsen på ett djur för att använda lädret?.....

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    2. Jag får anta att du missförstod vad jag menar. Som sagt är läderproduktionen likvärdigt fel men inte på samma plan uppmärksammat. Missförstå mig inte igen när jag uttrycker mig så, det jag menar är att en situation är en situation. Ingen kan väl ha missat pälsdebatten vilket gör det nästan ofrånkomligt att inte själv bidra med en åsikt. Hur nu den åsikten skulle kunna vara pro i det upplysta tidsålder vi lever i, just för att exempelvis se chic ut ser jag om något som smalt och konservativt tänk. Att leva helt fritt från multinationella företag, kött, trafficking etc är självklart en omöjlighet i dagens värld. att undvika att köpa en päls är ingen svår handling, är inte livsviktig men drar ändå sitt strå till stacken. Hoppas du förstod mig bättre nu! (.................)

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  10. oh yes, the fur topic...
    it´s so up to date to be against fur it´s almost getting ridiculous!

    i´m so glad you´ve mentioned the h&m dilema, i wanted to talk about ikea and h&m, and zara and all of the others myself, all the products that were made somewhere far away by little underaged hands. this is the world we live in, so get your mind together and stop judging us for wearing fur while eating mcdonalds wearing an h&m coat and zara shoes.
    it´s just making me roll my eyes.

    i´m wearing fur jackets and coats and hats on my blog and i always get quite a few negative comments on fur.
    next time i will link them to this post for gods sake, i´m so sick of their narrow minds.they´re betraying themselves being against fur while drinking a latte (made with milk).
    i almost never comment on other blogs but this is totally my topic dear stina. dammit ;) and your new jacket is such a stunning piece of art, just beautiful, you rock it (with pride)!
    kisses, doro

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  11. Jag har varit vegetarian från och till för att jag mår dåligt över hur djurhållningen i vår livsmedelsindustri ser ut. Jag söker hela tiden alternativ och kunskap med insikten om att jag måste tillåta mig att konsumera kött, ägg, mjölk etc. för att tillfredsställa ett grundläggande näringsbehov.

    För mig är det konstigt att säga att det är dubbelmoral att vara kritisk till lyxkonsumtion baserad på djurprodukter och samtidigt äta kött. Det beror väl på hur medvetna val man gör? Det är väldigt främmande för mig att föda upp djur endast för lyxkonsumtion som vi inte behöver. Och vi måste kunna ta små ställningstaganden, utan att behöva riva upp hela vår livsstil. Säger man, äsch, jag kan ändå inte vara etisk i alla mina handlingar, då kan jag lika gärna strunta i att vara det överhuvudtaget - vad blir det då för en värld till slut?

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    1. Kristin, to eat meat is not the biggest double moral because in a way that's our way to food. I hope most people in the developed countries make sure to be more aware of the food they buy.

      But using leather goods is exactly the same as wearing fur. It's used for luxury in booth areas. Please read the answer to Monica a bit further down to understand my point.

      You can with all rights be against fur, but then it would be against yourself and your own beliefs to wear leather and one shouldn't.


      Best,
      stina

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  12. Otroligt välskrivet och bra, första gången jag kommenterar men du satte verkligen ord för mina tankar kring detta ämne. Tack för en underbar blogg, du gör skillnad!

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  13. Otroligt välskrivet och bra, du satte ord på ens egna tankar! Tack för en bra blogg, du gör skillnad!

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  14. Animal rights fanatics should change focus to human misery I think. Almost 20% of the world's population does not have access to electricity. That's 1,3 billion people.

    And while the merits of killing animals for pleasure can be discussed, a lovely fur or handbag that you cherish and lasts for years should be at the bottom of the list of priorities for animal rights supporters. What about the terrible conditions animals in Sweden have to endure? Taste Swedish meat and then taste meat from a country that lets its cows wander around in the open all year long. You feel the bad treatment when you taste the meat. Swedish animal lovers should have better things to do than comment your fur!

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  15. För mig är det skillnad på lyx och nödvändighet. Jag hoppar gärna en pälskappa för det behöver inte jag för min överlevnad men stödjer medicinsk forskning på djur om det betyder att vi kan finna ett botemedel mot AIDS och rädda liv.

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  16. there will always be narrow-minded people pretending to be better than others but their attitude only shows that they are just hypocrites. i wear fur and would never give up my mink just because someone thinks that it is the right thing to do in their opinion. we can not change the wold and furs will be produced with or without our consent it's like not using petroleum and therefore fuel because we are damaging the earth by extracting the oil or not having tests done on animals although those very tests might save the lives of our children.. it is not why we do it but how we do it...yes animals should not suffer but it is impossible to have a perfect earth and yes today we have other textures and furs are no longer a necessity to survive but i don't think we are guiltier than our ancestors..yes the reasons are a bit different today but the did remains the same...so let's enjoy what we posses and try lo live our lives the way we consider most appropriate...after all, judging others and the lack of intolerance are very dangerous sins that led to a great number of tragedies in the human history

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  17. Förlåt Stina, jag bara undrar eftersom det kan tolkas lite luddigt: Tycker du att eftersom världen är så dålig att vi bara ska "ge upp"? Jag tänkte på exempelvis diamant-industrin. Eftersom den ser ut som den gör och det verkar inte ändras, tycker du att vi bara ska fortsätta köpa diamanter eftersom de ungarna är ändå redan dömda. Tror du inte på konsumentens makt? Jag tror absolut inte att jag kan rädda alla men jag tror ändå att jag kan kommunicera något med mina val.

    Intressant text.

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    1. I think you've made a very good point in this discussion. I do understand and agree with Stina's arguments up to a certain point. Yes, we do live in a world with double morals. BUT what is the conclusion to this whole situation? Shall we just accept how it is and justify the buying of a fur jacket coat by finger pointing at others because "they are as bad as we are and SHE does buy 20 H&M t-shirts a year"???
      I can get frustrated very often because I really try to make conscious choices when shopping fashion but to find out where "products" really come from and how and by whom they where produced is a hell of a story, extremely time consuming and often not possible for a normal human being. And even if I know a lot about certified labels etc. it's often not really sure if the standards are kept that a certain label demands and often even the standards themselves are far to low. And of course I wanna be dressed nicely and am not a big supporter of the typical eco style. But when I look around amongst those labels that are highly appreciated amongst Scandinavians (Acne, Filippa K, Stine Goya, Hope etc. etc.) I don't see any attempt to combine classic, long lasting design (that they always mention and are so proud of) and actual eco-friendly raw materials and humane conditions for the workers at the production sites. That's frustrating because they sell t-shirts for hilarious amounts of money and the are as "bloody" as a t-shirt sold at H&M (I'm not questioning the quality! Not i this comment at least).
      This leads me to the point that blaming the society, blaming the industry and saying that one is aware of the misbehaviour but all the others aren't any better and that's why it already is a lost battle, doesn't change anything and is in my eyes just a lame excuse for not having to change anything in one's own behaviour.
      No one is superhuman and always doing everything right nor is that possible since we are all human and it still is really time consuming. But to defend the purchase of a fur jacket and not even trying to see or point out what possibilities each one of us has, to make a change by making conscious choices even though it might sometimes be to the detriment of ones' own comfort - that is really disappointing to me!

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  18. Ok seriously. Either read Stinas blog and enjoy it. OR, find another blog to read and enjoy. I don't get why people get so bloody upset and keep on reading blogs. People are different and every single person will have different views. I honestly don't think Stina has to excuse everything she does whether it is buying an expensive bag or wearing fur. If Stina wore fake fur or fake branded goods then people would be moaning about child labour etc.

    Stina I think it is quite refreshing that someone is as honest and happy to share your lifestyle. Unfortunately there are too many jealous people who just cannot help having a dig.

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    1. Are you familiar with the term "discussion"? It's very healthy to have open discussion about topics as important and controversial as this one and has absolutely nothing to do with "jealousy" or whatever you are referring to.

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    2. I so agree with you!
      Lena

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  19. So, I personally don´t wear fur, because I somehow think that using leather from a cow whose meat we eat and which can be used "completely", for the want of a better expression, is somehow more justifiable than raising say, a chinchilla, simply for its fur.
    But that´s just my opinion and I completely agree with you on eveything you wrote above: There are very few people in this world who can call themselves true animal-protectors.

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  20. Förlåt.. men det känns som du säger: Världen är åt helvete, vi människor är idioter. Så har det alltid varit - så varför inte fortsätta så?

    Det gör mig ledsen eftersom ETT enda val, om det så "bara" är att vara vegeterian, eller att aktivt avstå från päls, vägra diamanter eller läderväskor så är det ju bättre än att inte göra NÅGONTING! Många bäckar små.. man ska inte underskatta den enskilda människans små val.

    MEN Däremot har jag FULL förståelse för att du inte är intresserad av att vara måltavla för en massa (icke pålästa) moraltanter, för att du väljer att bära päls. Och det var väl i just det du grundade inlägget antar jag.

    Du är en klok kvinna och jag hoppas du gör andra aktiva val för att känna att du bidrar till att föbättra världen på något sätt, och ja - jag är rätt säker på att du faktiskt gör det.

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    1. Believe me, I do a LT of things for this world, this planet, the children in poor countries, I've taken cared of animals without a home and try to educate people on how to take care of misstreated dogs. We all do our thing, stop wearing fur might be your thing but It would be werid if you continued eating animals, wear leather, suede etc if you would ask me.

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  21. Hatten av Stina för att du tog dig tid att skriva ner allt detta, jag följer din blogg varje dag, som tidgare...
    Så skönt att jag slapp skriva ner exakt allt detta som du nu har levererat. Jag behöver inte säga så mycket mer.
    Jag har två bästa väninnor som tittar snett på mig när jag kommer med mina pälsdetaljer, rävpäls på min nya Gucci-scarf, silverrävpäls etc. Hela tiden får jag kommentarer och känner mig utfryst. Jag äter inte rött kött, jag är demivegetarian och äter bara fick och fågel, ENBART för att jag får ont i magen av rött kött och för att det inte går ihop med min livstil med yoga etc. Varje gång vi har tjejmiddag hemma hos henne som är värst att klaga på min pälskonsumtion struntar hon blankt i att jag inte äter rött kött och smyger ner bacon etc i maten: För att det smakar bättre då. Noll respekt för mig som hon har känt i ca 8 år och vetat att jag inte äter det röda...
    Jag vill bara ruska om dom. Få dom att fatta hur världen ser ut, nu behöver jag inte skriva ner allt detta i min egen blogg, det gjorde du så bra. Jag länkar. Enkelt. Folk har ingen aning om hur världen ser ut utan vill mest tillhöra en grupp, en community för att känna sig behövda här i livet och få en röst hörd. All heder åt VEGANER. Resten kan hålla tyst, ta en bok, använd google och läs på om hur världen ser ut och hur det utvecklas. Kunskap är en knapptryckning bort. Kunskap är makt. Människor, vakna för guds skull.

    Ps: Det känns som att du har ett snett öga mot mig dock sedan länge tillbaka (har mailat flera ggr och aldrig fått svar)då jag inte hade möjlighet att betala för den svart-vita Dries Van Noten klänningen... Jag bad dig vänta, du väntade och jag kunde inte leverera. Livet kom emellan och jag ber om ursäkt för det... Dock så fanns det en mening med det, precis som med allt för sommaren därpå, dvs nu i somras tror jag bar du den till en fest med M. Strålande vackert, det fanns en mening med att du skulle ha kvar den. Och jag ångrar mig än idag...

    Bry dig inte om vad folk tycker, blogga på, du har styrkan precis som jag, lev, njut och blomma vidare med din vackra familj!

    Mina varmaste
    Silvia

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  22. I don't understand your logic? You acknowledge that you somewhat agree that fur trade is wrong in many ways, but because there are terrible issues with other industries (diamond, pollution etc) it somehow justifies supporting the fur industry? I'm sorry... but the truth is that there is no intelligent reason to contribute to this well documented horrific industry. The only reason the fur trade exist in this day and age is the Grotesque Vanity of Humans!

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    1. Well, if you read my text properly, I said that to judge someone in this complicated question one has to have their own finger pure. It all goes together, you can't buy blood spilled diamonds and be against fur. It's contradicted and only tell me that you have a weird sense of dealing with animal and the human kind. Both topics are things we like and want and both areas are filled with "trying not to see the truth" behind its luxury and desire.

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    2. Thank you for replying Stina, I can see this is a very heated topic! I don't agree with you lumping all these categories together, and saying that they are the same. I think most people would agree that killing an animal for medical research or food are very different than killing an animal for vanity issues.

      However more importantly, the "you should not judge me part" is the least interesting part of this discussion to me. I would hope people make the decisions to not support certain industries because they want to make the world a better place, not because your neighbor is "judging" and who is he to judge me because he does this and that. The fur industry is horrible...it doesn't take a "pure finger" to see that!

      I can tell that you care and that you are a good person, I just think that you are trying to justify the fur trade by pointing fingers at everything else that is wrong with this world. Two wrongs don't make a right! Anyway I appreciate you taking the time to reply AND that you are posting all the comments even the ones that are not agreeing with you.

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    3. Anna, yes! But leather on your handbag or shoes is just as much for vanity reasons as a fur. That's the only thing I claim. That the people who hate people wearing furs, have to hate everyone wearing leather in that case, probably themselfs also in that case. It's all for vanity reasons, both leather on your handbag and fur on fur coat.

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  23. Jag håller med dig om att det finns en stor dubbelmoral i avseendet att inte bära päls men köpa läderskor, duntäcke etcetera. Men att dra en linje mellan att bära päls och alla världens orättvisor med trafficking etcetera känns lite som att ge upp då det inte spelar någon roll vad vi gör. Vi kan inte påverka hela världen, men kanske lite lite lite i slutändan. Att vi kan köpa en diamantring eller en designerkopia gjord under usla förhållande legitimerar inte att köpa en päls av ett djur som blivit dödat för att en kvinna ska känna sig snygg. Jag har själv både läderskor, äter kött och bär pälsdetaljer på jackor. Men jag legitimerar inte mitt beslut med att det finns så många andra orättvisor i världen.
    Mathilda

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  24. Intressant och hur vi än gör blir det "fel". Och massor med missuppfattningar finns men var och en blir salig på sin tro som det heter. Vill säga till "Mia", att forskning på djur är många gånger helt onödig med all teknik idag som finns när det gäller att forska på celler t ex och att inte döda. Mänskligt material finns att tillgå utan att någon skadas men mycket görs utav slentrian och ren egoism. Varför ska vi plåga hundar, kaniner, möss på ett barbariskt sätt för vårt ego? En del försöksdjursplågare säger de gillar djur och klappar och smeker dem för att i nästa stund plåga ihjäl dem, det finns mycket underligt i vår värld och underliga människor. Skulle de få foster i sin hand har de inga betänkligheter, tro mig, jag har sett det mesta. Otroligt viktigt med etik och lagar inom medicinsk forskning, det finns alltid människor som är i stånd till vad som helst.
    I de flesta fall leder den forskningen ingen vart annat än att kanske ett läkemedelsverk får ut sin onödiga produkt som sedan svenska folket tror de måste ha. Stora medicinska upptäckter görs inte ofta på detta sätt.
    Jag forskar själv inom medicinsk forskning men har i alla år undvikit och lyckats med att vara inom områden där inga försöksdjur används. Och det har ibland inneburit att jag missat att få en kanske dubbel lön men har tagit det beslutet.
    Men nu tror du så att dessa barbariska försök är nödvändiga och kände dig trygg och glad med det medan djuren plågas ihjäl. Vår kycklinguppfödning är även den barbarisk, ohygienisk och fasansfull, där kan du hitta många dokument att läsa om du tar dig tid.
    Och är skinnet mer omoraliskt att använda beroende på vilken sida vi använder? Och alla dessa fårskinn som vi har i inredningen numera? Ingen lätt fråga men att tro att det ena är så mycket mer moraliskt än det andra, det faller.
    Och en tanke är att vi konsumerar mindre om vi köper lite dyrare tillverkning som inte småbarn stått för, då minskar den produktionssidan å andra sidan vet man inte hur det skulle utvecklas där med ekonomin, kanske till det bättre ändå. Alla barn som arbetar, sover och får lite mat att äta i låsta fabriker som en dag börjar brinna, de får brinna inne och så fyller man på med nya barn. Helt omoraliskt att köpa dessa kläder om vi ska hårddra det.
    Tyger som vi tycker är fantastiska har trampats omkring i färgbad av barfotabarn och vuxna som dör av kemikalieskadorna, de ersätts med nya människor. En vindruva innehåller 26 kemiska ämnen som var och en vid det enda tillfället vid intag kan ge en framtida skada. Hur mår de kvinnor och barn som arbetar med de skördarna? Ja de blir också sjuka i dödliga sjukdomar. Vi lever i en sjuk värld. Och bör nog undvika massor med saker, inte bara kött och skinn, men inte säkert det är mer moraliskt som sagt att leva på vindruvor, ett vegetariskt exempel bara.
    Kuriosa, min kollega har ärvt blåräv som hon gömt i förrådet, jag tycker hon ska sy något fint av det men då blir hon lynchad på stan säger hon, den är ju liksom redan död så att använda det som finns är ju att ta till vara kan jag tycka. A second chance:-). Men det finns många tyckare och en del kan vara farliga, bara att läsa Pernilla Wahlgrens tofsdiskussion när hon hade sin mössa, folk var/är mordiska och hur humant eller sunt är det?

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    1. Thank you Monica for this comment.

      The question is filled with doubts and double moral, that's my whole point of this post. To make people realise how hard it is.

      Many of the commentators here claim that the fur is used for luxury, but all leather for handbags, shoes, leather jackets is used in the same way were only the skin is used and the meat is not. It's EXACTLY the same thing, just different materials of the animal.

      We do not eat the cows that mostly produce our leather, I was chocked to understand the sad fact that many of the people who write about fur and it's luxury unnecessarity goods still think that they can get away with their leather use because they firmly believe the meat from the leather cow is the next steak on your table. It's not.

      My only point here is to tell the story and acknowledge the fact that leather equals fur-using. Both is horrendous in many ways - but don't tell me that it's ok to wear one part of the animal and the rest not.

      It's hypocritical and based on a big misunderstanding in the way to try to legalise the one against the other.

      Best,
      Stina

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  25. Hej Stina!

    Tack för dina reflektioner. Som jag skrev, är jag väl medveten om att alla inte behöver vara som mig och gå till ytterligheter när det gäller animaliska produkter. Men som sagt, många drar gränsen före just pälsen och det var därför jag frågade. Jag upplever att många försöker i någon grad åtminstone, i något som är en snårskog. Och naturligtvis är det skillnad på lyxprylar och nödvändigheter. Men att ge upp? Nej, då kommer vi ju inte ha någon värld kvar till slut. Det finns massor av bra alternativ nu för tiden, så man kan göra ett genomtänkt val varje gång. Av egen erfarenhet kan jag berätta att det är ett effektivt sätt att flytta sin personliga gräns åt det hållbarare hållet.

    Jag hoppas åtminstone jag har väckt en tanke. Tack för den här tiden.

    Bella

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  26. Hej Stina!

    Då jag är en trogen läsare som också är utbildad agronom och arbetar med svensk mjölkproduktion måste jag ge respons på ditt inlägg som jag tycker innehåller en hel del faktafel om svensk djurhållning.

    -Du måste skilja på djurhållning i Sverige och i övriga Europa! Det är som att jämföra äpplen och päron. Vi har en väldigt strikt djurskyddslag som dessutom är minimikrav på hur djuren ska hållas.

    - inga juver/spenar trillar av kor!!! Det skulle vara om kon trampar sig och skadas så illa att en veterinär i så fall får gå in och amputera (under bedövning...)!! Precis som man gör på människor om det blir en svår skada i en kroppsdel: fot, arm.

    - Jag äter kött, ägg, mjölk,fågel, har dunkacka och skinnskor men jag gör medvetna val. Jag köper svenskt kött, svensk mjölk, ekologisk skinka, ekologiska ägg, köper dyrare och färre kläder som oftast producerats i Europa, äter lamm från mina föräldrars gård som slaktas på gården. Jag köper inte jackor med päls ifrån tex Kina då jag vet att det högst troligt är hund alt katt som använts till pälskragen.

    - Jag köper inte pälsjackor, använder istället fuskpäls, främst av det skälet att skillnaden mellan en chincilla och en ko är att chincillan dödas enbart för sitt skinn...på de övriga djuren så använder man sig av mycket mer och tar tillvara det som går.

    - Jag älskar mode och vackra saker, bor i Stockholm och hoppas att fler av konsumenterna inser att man behöver inte vara "bondenörd" för att bli medveten och börja ta reda på vad som ligger på deras tallrikar och lär sig mer om hur maten produceras. Problemet som jag ser det är att konsumenterna inte längre har någon anknytning till lantbruket och skapar sig en bild av hur det är utan att ta reda på fakta.

    Tack för en i övrigt bra blogg! Skulle du vara sugen på att komma och besöka en svensk mjölkgård när du är i Sverige så tjoa till så kan jag ordna det!

    // Jessica E

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    1. Jessika: Thank you for this interesting comment, please look a bit further up to see the answer to a man named Alex who is also working with this and se my response.

      I've never claimed this topic is about the Swedish fur, cows or animals. It's about the WORLDS animals, everywhere. I happen to know that after a few scandals with animals in Sweden, we have become much better and the costumers in Sweden demands it from the retailers, farmers and producers. But Sweden is yet again, an fart in the sky when it comes to the rest of the world.

      I thank you dearly for this comment though and I would love to come by and see. I've been to farms many times because of my love for animals and the country side, but I always love to learn more and be close to the production.

      Also read the answer a bit further down where I say exacatly what you refer to in your last sentence. How important it is to be aware of the food because that is the biggest source of killing.

      Best regards,
      Stina Auer

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  27. Well, people eat animals and wear it fur. That's how it have been far before our time. I prefer to use fur instead a jacket made from oil, most unnatural textiles are having oil in il. Many people who are so fanatic don't even know what kind of harm their own choices are making to the world around us.

    Using fur and meat for a purpose is okay in my eyes. But over-eating and collecting stuff without a good purpose but storing it and keeping it like victory marks, that I don't understand too much.

    Thank you about writing this, I hope that people start more to think with their brains. What is good and what is bad. Really. Are these people really working for a good about the animals? Or is it something else....

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  28. Hi Stina,

    Personally, to add a comment, I don't understand people, who shout rude things to people with fur coats. Some even throw red paint over a fur coat, all the while smiling when doing that, while the cops take them away, kicking and screaming. I think they just destroyed someone's property, and forgot that the owner can claim for damages from the criminal.

    I also don't like to see stickers about chickens or chincillas suffering in their cages. I know most chickens aren't leading a happy life, that's why I buy free range eggs. Posting a sticker just looks like you stopped to take a picture of a suffering animal, and then walked away from the animal. Why posting a sticker on a lamp post makes you a better person?

    Why won't they shout at people at stores who buy regular eggs and milk, and why concentrate on fur coats?

    I think being an animal activist is just a way to look like you are a much, much better person, while driving away from the riot in your car with leather seats, or a bus with huge emissions releasing in to the athmosphere.

    Don't people know that cars kill people everyday in traffic accidents? If wearing a fur coat is morally wrong, then it is also very wrong to have a monthly bus pass, think about buying a new car, or working in a car factory. How can they even look at commercials or shows on tv, when everything they see can be equally, morally wrong?

    I think that a fur coat is a beautiful thing, and it is a good investment, and like Stina said, it can be given to the next generation. If my grandma had had a Hermes or a Gucci leather bag, and she had given it to me, I would have treasured it for ever, and not complain about her ethics. (Too bad she was too busy milking cows and raising 7 kids in the countryside, at a time, when getting an orange for xmas to share with everyone in the family was luxury. :))

    Every single nation was built out of luxury items: fur trade, and exchanging items such as deer and squirrel skin for salt and spices.

    Davy Crockett, the national hero of the US, wears a fur hat. Fur is a practical fashion item, which has built and transformed many nations into successfull countries, minus the current Eurocrisis.

    If the rich, the relatively wealthy and people, who know how to save money, stopped buying luxury items, our gross national products would plummet. Then, we would be in a bigger economical crisis than we are today.

    Best regards,
    Stina's fan from Finland

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    1. A couple of years ago I saw a "documentary", I would call it a tragedy, about a few fur activists on the Finnish television. They had pet rats that they kept in...yes, cages. Talk about double morale:-)

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  29. Hmmm, the thing is, setting small steps for a better world by yourself. You seem to decided to go a "all or nothing" way, which is less double minded of course but also not the right path in my opinion.
    Buying douzens of high quality pullovers for the whole family a year might not be the cleverest idea, have you ever thought of it? The key is sustainablilty: buying regional and if possible organic products (is nowadays also super easy when going out dining!), trying to refrain from certain things (e.g. fur), change your energy provider to only use renewable energy (especially a topic in the Switzerland with their nuclear power plants!), etc.
    Tiny little steps but at least we can try to keep a sort of nice and sustainable world for our kids and that's definitly the most important point for me :)

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  30. Hi Stina,

    I absolutely agree with what you wrote here. I felt very negative towards fur until I inherited my first vintage coat a while ago. I had to stop myself thinking "hang on, how could you possibly have such negative feelings towards fur but at the same time being such a leather lover when it comes to bags, shoes, skirts etc." I'm also eating meat, wearing down jackets and quite happily sleep in my nice fluffy duvets. I'm totally aware of where my steak comes from, where my shoes and my bag come from. I try to buy good meat, good products etc and try to be reasonable with animal products. I now feel the same towards fur. Inform yourself where the fur is coming from, how it's sourced etc. If you can happily accept your egg for breakfast and your chicken for lunch, you need to get finally over the fur topic. Otherwise you're creating your own very comfortable standards which you adapt to make others feel bad.

    I think the other issue with fur is what it embodies e.g. what it stands for. It still has something exclusive, luxurious and decadent about it. That's why some people will always attack (it might be jealousy, I don't know.) But I know one thing, I can't stand people who buy cheap leather in Zara or H&M and then attack someone who wears fur. These people need to look into the mirror and tell me that this is not double moral/standard.

    Daniela

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  31. Hi Stina,

    I totally agree with what you wrote. I felt really negative towards fur until I inherited my first vintage coat a while ago. I had to stop myself thinking "hang on, how can you be such a leather lover when it comes to bags, shoes etc but then feel so negative towards fur." I eat meat, sleep in fluffy pillows and wear down jackets so how can I possibly judge people for wearing fur? I try to buy good meat and good leather products and try to inform myself how things are sourced etc. Basically, I try to be reasonable when it comes to animal products. I think that’s our responsibility. But I don’t like it if people wear leather shoes and then attack those who wear fur. These people just create their nice double standards which they adapt accordingly to hurt others. Get finally over it, people!

    I think with fur there is another issue: There is still something very luxurious, exclusive about it and I think many people have a problem with that. I don’t know if it’s out of jealousy or something else. What I do know is that I can’t stand people who happily buy cheap leather at H&M or Zara and the complain about those who wear fur. If you happily eat your egg in the morning and your chicken for lunch but still attack fur wearers, take a look into the mirror and tell me that you’re not having double morals/standards here.

    Daniela

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  32. I agree with you 100%, how can one animal be considered to be more important than the other?! I eat meat and wear fur and leather. What I do is to only wear fur made from skins from the Nordic countries as the industry there is heavily controlled and nowadays one should be able to trace every single skin in a fur garment back to the farmer. And, as with us humans as well, a animal treated badly do not produce a nice fur so it is in the interest of the farmer to treat the animals good during their short life.

    Also, as you mentioned, you do not throw away fur or skin clothes after one season, you save it and pass it on to your children or grand children and perhaps have a tailor to change it according to the fashion...how many have their puffy winter jackets made by chemicals changed?!

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  33. EVERYONE: Thank you dearly for participating in this question, it's very interesting to read all of your thought and by doing so, it's clear how confusing it is. Everyone does their own choices and we need to respect each other for it, especially when there's so much double moral in this specific and sensitive topic.

    Being more aware of where the food we eat comes from and how the animal is treated on their way to death I see as most important because they stand for more then 80 percent of all killed animals. The rest is leather and a very small part is medical research, fur and other areas.

    I always try to buy my meat from a butcher close by and as often as possible I by organic, ecological or close produced food and especially try to eat by season from the country I am in. Like absolutely not tomatoes and strawberries in winter time for us up north.

    Thank you,
    Stina Auer

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  34. Stina, jag underskriver varenda ord, mening och sats i ditt inlägg. Bravo! Äntligen någon som skriver EXAKT det som jag själv tänker.

    Tack!

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  35. Thank you Stina you just made a very good point. I will remember this! Kiss Hedvig

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  36. Hi Stina,
    It is a very difficult topic you decided to deal with.
    I believe the most important thing with this issue is taking responsibilities for your actions.
    Many of us seem to think that since the world is often times cruel and unfair, it makes it somehow ok to participate in some of its violence.
    I believe we should strive for better. We should know where our meat comes from, and we should buy it locally, from farmers that treat their animals with respect. Same goes for milk. We should avoid farmed fish as it destroys the fauna in surrounding areas. We should consume these products in moderation, so as to encourage their sustainability.
    We should try and avoid certain things if we can, since we know how harmful they are (foie gras is a delicacy, but it is also terrible in it's production).

    You shouldn't lump all issues together as they are after all different in their complexities. However there is a similar approach in making things better, it is indeed awareness.
    Research where your food comes, does the farmer use pesticides that destroy the flora. Before purchasing an engagement ring, find out if your diamond is a blood diamond. Try to avoid companies that have sweatshops and encourage child labour. Don't domesticate a wild exotic animal just because it's pretty.

    We can do so much to help, we can educate, we can volunteer, but the most important it is to own up to our own actions first and do something about them. We can make even the industries of death so much more humane.

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  37. Your arguments are wrong in so many ways, it makes me wanna cry.
    You can't say you love animals and still eat or wear them. Please consider not buying fur anymore - even though you might still eat meat, you'll kill a few animals less.

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